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Post by England on Nov 12, 2012 23:54:06 GMT -5
Hmmm, it's cool, Japan~ I dunno, I saw a younger nation a lot easier because the older nations would probably talk to themselves when they're alone and be like "pull yo shit together, you've been through milleniums of massacres and bloodbaths, you won't give up, you won't give in, LISTEN TO ME. Listen to me. You're strong. You've survived for so long, you won't die here today". And the younger nations would not have the inner strength to say that and to believe themselves o3o I dunno, I think so~
Besides, I never said the younger nations would be able to get followers o3o The followers bit is just an add-on, and I didn't think of it when I made my comment because it wasn't really a part of the actual request to me (kinda like a bonus, if this were a kink meme) ^^;; The followers would definitely come if an older nation paved the way (and they'd be younger nations, more easily swayed by the older's authority and arguments), but then again, I dunno which nation would actually attempt to pull off the typical "WE'RE GETTING NOTHING DONE EFF THIS IMMA MAKE MY OWN GROUP AND WE'LL GET SHIT DONE FASTER" manoeuvre o3o
My thoughts! Of course, this is all up to the people who want to RP it :3 I like that we're discussing lots about the idea, so that when the time comes, perhaps the people who want to plan an RP around that theme can look back to our discussion and see whose ideas they prefer using :3 Keep discussing!
Yeah, it's already done, though I could add in a bit about suicide and the only way of doing it: turning yourself into a zombie ^^
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Post by Scotland on Nov 13, 2012 7:01:09 GMT -5
I have to ask about the death/suicide bit. As I have come to understand it, death here is on the level of taking a nap. Shouldn't death be a lot more devastating? Shouldn't there be a consequence for dying? What's to stop this place from looking like the beaches of Normandy?
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Post by England on Nov 13, 2012 11:47:16 GMT -5
*raises hand* could you rephrase the question? ^^;;
The way I undertood it... Nations can't die: if they're chopped to piece, they'll regenerate. If their heart is ripped out, they'll be dead for the time it takes for the heart to grow back. The only way for a nation to die is for him or her to become a zombie, and be killed as a zombie. Since their body is always infected by the destroyed cells that keep perverting the hypothalamus neurones that grow back, once they've become a zombie, there's no way to bring them back to a non-zombified state. I haven't really thought about whether they die permanently if they're shot in the head as zombies, or if their brain recrates itself where it's hit, and the nation is doomed to live as a zombie forever... What do you guys think?
Sorry, that didn't really answer the question...
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Post by America on Nov 13, 2012 18:05:09 GMT -5
Hypo-wazzat? English, please.
Science aside (screw science, Meri uses common sense), I'm also under the impression that a country can't die. The zombie bite will infect them and make them die that way, since that's more of a kill-you-and-bring-you-back-to-life sort of thing, but it still...kills you, while not killing you, if you catch my drift. Actually, I dunno what I'm talking about, but, the way I viewed it, suicide will just make them go into a painful sort-of sleep, like Scotty said.
As for coming-back-to-life-from-zombie-state, this can go with what I put above: they ALWAYS regenerate. Their brain can regenerate. So, even as a zombie, they would be able to come back. (That actually explains what I was getting at, much thanks for putting it in simpler words.)
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Post by Scotland on Nov 14, 2012 3:33:36 GMT -5
I'll rephrase. I agree death is temporary for a nation because the actual country still exists and its people will continue to identify as that country. However, I believe there should be a price to pay for dying that causes the nation to want to avoid death if possible, besides just the pain of it. Otherwise what's to stop nations from just throwing their lives away? There is no tragedy, no loss, which death and suicide actually are.
Plus, the price to pay from a death could spark new roleplay ideas. I had a couple different thoughts on what the price could be, from the loss of a memory, such as the nation wakes up, looks into the eyes of their lover and says, in the words of Kumajirou, "who are you?" prompting them to rebuild the relationship anew, or it triggers a disaster in their home nation such as Japan dying would have caused the earthquake, tsunami and corresponding death toll among his people. Having the other nations provide aid could play up relationships and invite people to play with their allies or build new ones.
Of course, these are just thoughts that came to me and if it doesn't give the board the warm fuzzies then no loss at all. The way you described is much easier.
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Post by [x] Spain on Nov 14, 2012 7:11:47 GMT -5
I actually like Scottie's idea. o3o Because I had been wondering about that myself. ono
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Post by America on Nov 14, 2012 10:52:36 GMT -5
Ooh, that's interesting! I never even thought about some sort of punishment like that, but it would make perfect sense.
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Post by England on Nov 14, 2012 19:51:55 GMT -5
It makes lots of sense! o3o I like it, though I dunno what the price of death would be ^^;; I like the idea of lost memories....
And my reasoning as to why nations cannot come back from a zombified state, re-written in English xD The cells in the hypothalamus are mutated by Sigma rays, right? This causes everything but the neurons in there to self-destruct. That means that, once irradiated, neurons will forever self-destruct. That means that any new neuron created by the nations' regeneration system will self-destruct mere hours after it's perfected. So the nation will never be able to regenerate his/her brain cells and regain control of his/her body because no matter what, the cells they recreate will self-destruct.
That was for direct infection. For indirect infection, by biting, it's the same concept, though the "source" of the infection is the brain of the affected person. The infected cells travel through the body fluids of the zombie (saliva, blood, lymph, etc...) and enter the bloodstream of the other person, and attack their brain cells to turn them suicidal.
Makes sense in my head, anyways o3o Sorry. It's long and totally irrelevant.
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Post by Scotland on Nov 15, 2012 4:13:58 GMT -5
That was really well thought out. May I suggest you add this description to the Basics of Zombie Survival thread?
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Post by England on Nov 15, 2012 13:38:50 GMT -5
nefjwrogiheri omg thank you ^/////^ I thought it wouldn't make much sense, but thanks~ Glad it did xD
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Post by America on Nov 15, 2012 15:53:39 GMT -5
I have one quick question- I know the difference between indirect (the Sigma rays) and direct (zombie bite), but how exactly do they get the indirect, uh, zombiefacation? Like, is it coming in close contact with where the Sigma rays are, or might it happen over a long period of time (radiation and all that jazz)?
Sounds really dumb, but I've been wondering this and Meri is seriously no good with science and this sort of thing. X'D
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Post by England on Nov 15, 2012 16:02:53 GMT -5
Correction: direct is Sigma rays, indirect is biting :3
I dunno, I figured the initial burst that hit a lot of North American citizens irradiated 100% of the ones within say... 100km of the epicentre, 90% of those at 150km, 80% of those at 200km, and so on. Sooo... odds, I guess? The initial burst was packed with energy, so it reached out far in the world (remember, the entire world got zombified people, though a low enough number to be able to contain them, unlike the NA population, which was almost completely gone), but now, I imagine that the rays only reach out as far as, I dunno, arbitrary number, 100km around the initial site of impact.
I do like the idea of being infected if you are exposed for a long time, though :3 That would explain why the nations can't just wait a decade or so for the zombies to disintegrate on their own, because if they stay too long, the constant, small bursts of radiation will build up to irradiate them entirely :3
..... make sense? N/N? ;w;
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Post by America on Nov 15, 2012 16:08:13 GMT -5
Ah. Other way around. You know what I meant. X'D
And that DOES make sense, thanks (although you put everything in kilometers and I had a mini-freak out until I realized I could look up the conversion from KM to M- I'm America, yo). I get it now. So it's just around 62 miles (100 km) of the site of impact that they can get a direct infection-thing?
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Post by England on Nov 15, 2012 16:13:04 GMT -5
I dunno. That's an arbitrary number I picked off the top of my head. Even more arbitrary when you realize that nobody even knows WHERE the source of the radiation is. But yeah, that's the basic gist of it.
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Post by America on Nov 15, 2012 16:47:31 GMT -5
Alrighty, thank you! And since I've been asking so many questions, I'll come up with some good prompt soon. promise. >.<
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